หัวข้อ: Paper cranes "meaningless" จาก Bangkok Post เริ่มหัวข้อโดย: ผณิศวร เกิดในรัชกาลที่ ๙ ที่ พฤศจิกายน 24, 2004, 10:57:47 AM http://www.bangkokpost.com/231104_News/23Nov2004_news09.php
ไม่แน่ใจว่าลิงค์ข้างบนจะเข้าได้หรือไม่นะครับ Bkk Post หน้า 2 วันที่ 23 พ.ย. Paper cranes being folded across the country as a gesture of goodwill and peace have no meaning for Muslims in the restive deep South, prominent Muslim leaders say. Abdullahman Abdulsamad, chairman of the Narathiwat Islamic Committee, said the 62 million paper cranes the prime minister plans to air-drop over Yala, Pattani, Narathiwat will end up as piles of meaningless litter. Although the trouble people of other faiths are taking to make them as an expression of goodwill and compassion was appreciated, Muslims had no idea what the cranes stood for. "To us Muslims it means nothing of great significance,'' Mr Abdullahman said. "Bluntly put, the folding of paper cranes is just a tactic to whip up hype and it presents no solution to the violence.'' The government should enlist help in other areas to address the concern for the welfare of southern people. In particular, it ought to provide better protection for those whose lives were at risk from the instability, Mr Abdullahman said. Niedir Waba, chairman of the association of private Islamic schools in Yala, Pattani and Narathiwat, said the belief that folding the cranes would return peace to the deep South lacked substance. It was irrational, he said. Islamic teachings have always been against subscribing to beliefs that did not answer to rationale. To restore peace in the South, Muslims would recite the Hayad prayer to Allah, he said. Mr Niedir said southern Muslims did not know the meaning of the paper cranes and could not care less about them. "It's something foreign to us,'' he said. People of other religions may be convinced the idea would tame the violence but it may well deliver the opposite, Mr Niedir said. The cranes could be a ticking time bomb because the Muslims could well be irritated by the gesture, viewing it as irrational and therefore un-Islamic. He was opposed to attempts to get students in Islamic schools near the border to make the cranes. Up to 60,000 Muslims were expected to join a mass Hayad prayer for peace and show a common stand on the Tak Bai issue, he said. No date had been fixed. Abdullahmae Jehsae, chairman of the Yala Islamic Committee, said the crane folding was politically driven. People nationwide were free to offer goodwill to southerners, but the cranes were unfamiliar to the Muslims. He insisted the authorities must clean up afterward. He said Their Majesties' recent addresses on the southern mayhem had helped ease the tension. Mr Niedir urged the security forces not to use force to deal with the unrest and suggested that officials appointed to the South have an understanding of Islam. Meanwhile, monks and novices in Wat Makrud in Koke Pho district of Pattani have begun a crane-folding frenzy to highlight the message for peace. Abbot Navakan Sophon said the cranes may not solve the problem, but at least they would convey to southern people the best wishes of people from around the country. The abbot conceded local residnets had mixed opinions about the birds. Some Buddhists were put off by the prospect of all the paper litter and were disillusioned that people were still being killed despite the goodwill gesture. หัวข้อ: Re: Paper cranes "meaningless" จาก Bangkok Post เริ่มหัวข้อโดย: bobby ที่ พฤศจิกายน 24, 2004, 01:26:46 PM :'(
อาจารย์ครับ... คงได้แต่หวังให้ไม่เลวร้ายไปกว่านี้มากนัก หัวข้อ: Re: Paper cranes "meaningless" จาก Bangkok Post เริ่มหัวข้อโดย: ผณิศวร เกิดในรัชกาลที่ ๙ ที่ พฤศจิกายน 24, 2004, 04:32:44 PM ที่ผมแปลกใจคือ หนังสือพิมพ์ภาษาไทยไม่ลงข่าวนี้เลย
หัวข้อ: Re: Paper cranes "meaningless" จาก Bangkok Post เริ่มหัวข้อโดย: NaiMai>รักในหลวง ที่ พฤศจิกายน 24, 2004, 04:49:07 PM ??? นั่งแปลได้ 3 ย่อหน้า มึนครับ ???
หัวข้อ: Re: Paper cranes "meaningless" จาก Bangkok Post เริ่มหัวข้อโดย: Enruoblem ที่ พฤศจิกายน 24, 2004, 05:02:21 PM Paper cranes being folded across the country as a gesture of goodwill and peace have no meaning for Muslims in the restive deep South, prominent Muslim leaders say.
Abdullahman Abdulsamad, chairman of the Narathiwat Islamic Committee, said the 62 million paper cranes the prime minister plans to air-drop over Yala, Pattani, Narathiwat will end up as piles of meaningless litter. Although the trouble people of other faiths are taking to make them as an expression of goodwill and compassion was appreciated, Muslims had no idea what the cranes stood for. "To us Muslims it means nothing of great significance,'' Mr Abdullahman said. "Bluntly put, the folding of paper cranes is just a tactic to whip up hype and it presents no solution to the violence.'' The government should enlist help in other areas to address the concern for the welfare of southern people. In particular, it ought to provide better protection for those whose lives were at risk from the instability, Mr Abdullahman said. Niedir Waba, chairman of the association of private Islamic schools in Yala, Pattani and Narathiwat, said the belief that folding the cranes would return peace to the deep South lacked substance. It was irrational, he said. Islamic teachings have always been against subscribing to beliefs that did not answer to rationale. To restore peace in the South, Muslims would recite the Hayad prayer to Allah, he said. Mr Niedir said southern Muslims did not know the meaning of the paper cranes and could not care less about them. "It's something foreign to us,'' he said. People of other religions may be convinced the idea would tame the violence but it may well deliver the opposite, Mr Niedir said. The cranes could be a ticking time bomb because the Muslims could well be irritated by the gesture, viewing it as irrational and therefore un-Islamic. He was opposed to attempts to get students in Islamic schools near the border to make the cranes. Up to 60,000 Muslims were expected to join a mass Hayad prayer for peace and show a common stand on the Tak Bai issue, he said. No date had been fixed. Abdullahmae Jehsae, chairman of the Yala Islamic Committee, said the crane folding was politically driven. People nationwide were free to offer goodwill to southerners, but the cranes were unfamiliar to the Muslims. He insisted the authorities must clean up afterward. He said Their Majesties' recent addresses on the southern mayhem had helped ease the tension. Mr Niedir urged the security forces not to use force to deal with the unrest and suggested that officials appointed to the South have an understanding of Islam. Meanwhile, monks and novices in Wat Makrud in Koke Pho district of Pattani have begun a crane-folding frenzy to highlight the message for peace. Abbot Navakan Sophon said the cranes may not solve the problem, but at least they would convey to southern people the best wishes of people from around the country. The abbot conceded local residnets had mixed opinions about the birds. Some Buddhists were put off by the prospect of all the paper litter and were disillusioned that people were still being killed despite the goodwill gesture. ชอบ2ประโยคนี้ครับ เป็นเหตุเป็นผลดีครับ ??? ??? ??? ??? หัวข้อ: Re: Paper cranes "meaningless" จาก Bangkok Post เริ่มหัวข้อโดย: Enruoblem ที่ พฤศจิกายน 24, 2004, 05:06:04 PM Paper cranes being folded across the country as a gesture of goodwill and peace have no meaning for Muslims in the restive deep South, prominent Muslim leaders say. เพราะที่เคยรับฟังมา น่าจะเป็น Believing with no question :-X นะครับAbdullahman Abdulsamad, chairman of the Narathiwat Islamic Committee, said the 62 million paper cranes the prime minister plans to air-drop over Yala, Pattani, Narathiwat will end up as piles of meaningless litter. Although the trouble people of other faiths are taking to make them as an expression of goodwill and compassion was appreciated, Muslims had no idea what the cranes stood for. "To us Muslims it means nothing of great significance,'' Mr Abdullahman said. "Bluntly put, the folding of paper cranes is just a tactic to whip up hype and it presents no solution to the violence.'' The government should enlist help in other areas to address the concern for the welfare of southern people. In particular, it ought to provide better protection for those whose lives were at risk from the instability, Mr Abdullahman said. Niedir Waba, chairman of the association of private Islamic schools in Yala, Pattani and Narathiwat, said the belief that folding the cranes would return peace to the deep South lacked substance. It was irrational, he said. Islamic teachings have always been against subscribing to beliefs that did not answer to rationale. To restore peace in the South, Muslims would recite the Hayad prayer to Allah, he said. Mr Niedir said southern Muslims did not know the meaning of the paper cranes and could not care less about them. "It's something foreign to us,'' he said. People of other religions may be convinced the idea would tame the violence but it may well deliver the opposite, Mr Niedir said. The cranes could be a ticking time bomb because the Muslims could well be irritated by the gesture, viewing it as irrational and therefore un-Islamic. He was opposed to attempts to get students in Islamic schools near the border to make the cranes. Up to 60,000 Muslims were expected to join a mass Hayad prayer for peace and show a common stand on the Tak Bai issue, he said. No date had been fixed. Abdullahmae Jehsae, chairman of the Yala Islamic Committee, said the crane folding was politically driven. People nationwide were free to offer goodwill to southerners, but the cranes were unfamiliar to the Muslims. He insisted the authorities must clean up afterward. He said Their Majesties' recent addresses on the southern mayhem had helped ease the tension. Mr Niedir urged the security forces not to use force to deal with the unrest and suggested that officials appointed to the South have an understanding of Islam. Meanwhile, monks and novices in Wat Makrud in Koke Pho district of Pattani have begun a crane-folding frenzy to highlight the message for peace. Abbot Navakan Sophon said the cranes may not solve the problem, but at least they would convey to southern people the best wishes of people from around the country. The abbot conceded local residnets had mixed opinions about the birds. Some Buddhists were put off by the prospect of all the paper litter and were disillusioned that people were still being killed despite the goodwill gesture. ชอบ2ประโยคนี้ครับ เป็นเหตุเป็นผลดีครับ ??? ??? ??? ??? หัวข้อ: Re: Paper cranes "meaningless" จาก Bangkok Post เริ่มหัวข้อโดย: Nattapol ที่ พฤศจิกายน 24, 2004, 05:50:34 PM ตราบใดที่คุณพี่ Square face ยังอยู่บ้านเมืองจะร้อนยิ่งกว่านี้ แล้วไอ้พับนกเนี่ยผมไม่เข้าใจจริงๆทำไปทำไม เป็นใหญ่เป็นโตแต่แก้ปัญหาไม่ตรงจุด บ่ายเบี่ยงละก็ที่หนึ่ง
หัวข้อ: Re: Paper cranes "meaningless" จาก Bangkok Post เริ่มหัวข้อโดย: Nakin ที่ พฤศจิกายน 24, 2004, 10:34:32 PM From my point of view , the 62 million paper cranes campaign means all THAI people is UNITED and all THAI people needs peace :) and this maybe represent the THAI power against the terrorists !
Now I already have 10 paper cranes ready to support this campaign . 8) หัวข้อ: Re: Paper cranes "meaningless" จาก Bangkok Post เริ่มหัวข้อโดย: naisomchai ที่ ธันวาคม 18, 2004, 04:00:19 PM Hayad prayer ... คือการสวดอะไรหรือครับ...
ยังไม่ได้กำหนดวัน แต่จะมีคนร่วมสวดตั้ง 6 หมื่นคนแน่ะ... จะเป็นการสวดแสดงจุดยืนอย่างสันติ... ที่มีพลังมากครับ... หัวข้อ: Re: Paper cranes "meaningless" จาก Bangkok Post เริ่มหัวข้อโดย: poe kerpetkaew ที่ ธันวาคม 18, 2004, 04:33:10 PM ผมโพธิ์ เกื้อเพชรแก้ว ครับ ภาษาปะกิตอ่อนมาก ผมแปลว่านก(กระเรียน)กระดาษไร้ความหมาย งั้นหรือเปล่าครับ?? ถึงต้นกำเนิดการพับนกสันติภาพจะเป็นนกกระเรียน แต่นกกระดาษหลายล้านตัวที่คนไทยพับไปโปรยนั้นเป็นนกพิราบดอกนะครับ ha-ha
ข่าวมีคุณค่าเช่นนี้ผมพิมพ์เอาไปแกะต่อจากดิก.คุณสอ. ฯ (ห้ามผวน)ต่อครับ อ.ครับ ตกลงกุ้งไทย สหรัฐมันเก็บภาษีเท่าไหร่เหรอ?? จากเหตุไต่สวนเรื่องการทุ่มตลาด หาก อ.มีอะไรจะเล่ายาว ๆ เรื่องกุ้งจะส่งข่าวผมทางอีเมล์ poe.ke@rd.go.thก็จะเป็นพระคุณยิ่งครับ พี่ชายผม(จบ ป.4 )มันว่าสหรัฐปราณีที่ไทยสู้ความจริงไทยจึงโดนสั่งสอนน้อยกว่าอินเดีย จีน เวียดนาม จริงหรือเปล่าครับ หัวข้อ: Re: Paper cranes "meaningless" จาก Bangkok Post เริ่มหัวข้อโดย: poe kerpetkaew ที่ ธันวาคม 18, 2004, 04:56:54 PM - นายสวาท สุมาลยศักดิ์ จุฬาราชมนตรี กล่าวว่า ให้เราเลี่ยงถ้อยคำที่เสียดแทงใจชาวอิสลาม เช่นคำก็โจรมุสลิม 2 คำก็โจรแบ่งแยกดินแดนมุสลิม ทำไมไม่มีโจรพุทธ โจรคริสต์ บ้าง ทั้งที่ชาวพุทธก็เป็นโจรเยอะแยะ
- ได้แต่หวังว่าการสวดฮายัดครั้งนี้ คงสวดให้โจรก่อความไม่สงบ 3 จว.ชายแดนใต้(ไม่ระบุศาสนาต่อท้าย..ก็ได้)ฉิบหายตายโหงด้วยนะครับ - นายนิติภูมิ นวรัตน์ ทำนายว่า ประเทศไทยจะถูกแบ่งแยก เป็น 4-6 ประเทศ หลังจาก Gatt มีผลบังคับสมบูรณ์ใน พศ.2553 โดย 3 จว.ชายแดนใต้จะไปก่อน ตามด้วย จว.ชายฝั่งตะวันออก แกเคยทำนายกรณีติมอร์ตะวันออกแยกตัวเป็นเอกราชได้ถูกนะครับ ผมเสนอข่าวนี้ในที่ประชุมกำนันผู้ใหญ่บ้าน มีแต่เสียหัวเราะ พวกท่านวิตกกันบ้างหรือเปล่าครับ |